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Verse (7:187), Word 5 - Quranic Grammar

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The fifth word of verse (7:187) is divided into 2
morphological segments. A passive participle and possessive pronoun. The
form IV passive participle is masculine and is in the nominative case
(مرفوع). The passive participle's triliteral root is
rā sīn wāw (ر س و). The attached
possessive pronoun is third person feminine singular.

Chapter (7) sūrat l-aʿrāf (The
Heights)

(7:187:5)
mur'sāhā
its
appointed time?

N – nominative
masculine (form IV) passive participle
PRON
– 3rd person feminine singular possessive pronoun

اسم مرفوع و«ها» ضمير متصل في محل جر
بالاضافة

Verse (7:187)

The analysis above refers to the 187th verse of chapter 7
(sūrat l-aʿrāf):

Sahih
International: They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is
its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal
its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It
will not come upon you except unexpectedly." They ask you as if you are
familiar with it. Say, "Its knowledge is only with Allah , but most of the
people do not know."

Quran
Recitation by Saad Al-Ghamadi

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12 messages

Asim Iqbal 2nd

23rd June, 2011

Form IV Noun of Time (اسم ظرف زَمَان )

Preferred by me since when is mentioned before
it.

OR

other option Verbal Noun.

Discussion required.

Mazhar A. Nurani

23rd June, 2011

مصدر ميمى other Form IV verbal noun is
إرساء

Asim Iqbal 2nd

23rd June, 2011

I am not saying form IV verbal noun. I also said
verbal noun (with miim as obvious in the weight itself).

But are you calling it verbal noun and not noun
of time?

Mazhar A. Nurani

23rd June, 2011

مصدر ميمى Form-IV. Not noun of location. The
word is delayed subject of the inverted sentence.

Asim Iqbal 2nd

23rd June, 2011

But form IV has only 1 verbal noun weight
if'aal, this is the 1st time I am hearing that form IV also has this
as verbal noun, and Wright also lists only if'aal as the form IV
verbal noun?

Asim Iqbal 2nd

23rd June, 2011

And I mentioned Form IV Noun of Time (اسم ظرف
زَمَان ) , not noun of location .

and I still think it is also possible.

Sahih international below:

They ask you, [O Muhammad peace be upon him],
about the Hour: when is its arrival?

(I think it is referring to time of
arrival)

Mazhar A. Nurani

23rd June, 2011

مصدر ميمى Form-IV is derived from the pattern of
Imperfect Passive voice verb. The particle of present tense is
substituted by Meem with dhumma. [G.A. Pervez called it Passive
participle]

Asim Iqbal 2nd

23rd June, 2011

So by asserting this word as form IV verbal
noun, you are asserting that passive participle weight of the
derived verbal forms, in addition to being used as the noun of
place/time and passive participle, can also be used as form verbal
noun? This is a strange claim, I have heard for the 1st time.

Pasive participle doesn't seem possible here.
Either form IV Noun of time or Form I verbal Noun of meem.

Note to assert it as form IV verbal noun, you
will have to provide some standard reference that derived verbal
forms passive participle weight can also be used as the form's
verbal noun, i.e. a 4th role of the derived verbal form passive
participle weight.

Mazhar A. Nurani

24th June, 2011

The Root of the word has nothing to do with time
concept. Pl consult any book on Tasreef regarding Masdar
Meemi.

Asim Iqbal 2nd

24th June, 2011

Root has nothing to do with time concept?

from the same root, noun of place, and noun of
time is also formed from form IV also.

In Lane's Lexicon, Volume 3, Page 1087, Column
1, it is written:

Mursaa may be used as an infinitive noun, or a
noun of time or a noun of place.

In Lane's Lexicon, Volume 3, Page 1087, Column
1, it is written regarding this very Ayat:

in which he has given 2 translation options:

"when will be its taking place" or "when will be
the time of its being made to take place"

And as discussed earlier this is very much
relevant to time, when, hour etc.. are used, and possibility of noun
of time is also there.

If it was such a clear decision, Lane would have
mentioned clearly just 1 option.

Mazhar A. Nurani

24th June, 2011

Brother, he is giving options for translation of
the Ayat which does contain a word denoting and referring to point
in time-أيان. This root has 14 occurrences in Grand Qur'aan.
Anchoring need not contain time-reference. They are asking for the
exact point in time-date and year of happening/anchoring of that
event.

Asim Iqbal 2nd

24th June, 2011

ayyaan has been translated as when in both the
options and the difference in both options is visible as in 1 option
'time of' is mentioned. So both options
exist.

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